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2010/03/11 下午 5:20 一个学生问：
Hello everybody!
This is my first post here, so please be patient with me if I'm posting this in the wrong section.
Well I might as well introduce myself, my name is Oskar and I'm an international student who is considering going to the US to pursue a university degree! One of the schools I'm currently looking at, is the Pacific Lutheran University as I have been offered an extensive scholarship to go there. Therefore I would like to hear some of your opinions on this college.
1. Is it a good university?
2. Is the school conservative? I don't mean to offend anyone, but I must admit that the name freaks me out a little bit. A conservative scool is simply not what I'm looking for seeing I would like to experience the full college experience, and that includes alcohol and parties.
3. Would I have fun there?
Thank you so much for your answers! 
一个比较详细的回答：
Hi Oskar:
It's a little hard to answer your questions specifically as different people have different goals in mind when selecting a university. Good parties and good academics don't always coincide but I'll take a shot at your questions:
1) I think it's a good ("good" is such a relative term!), smaller, private, liberal arts university. I personally don't think it has the academic reputation of the University of WA but perhaps I'm biased as I went to UW. 
2) PLU (Pacific Lutheran University) has ties to the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America). Without turning this in to a lesson on denominational distinctives, of the Lutheran synods in the USA, the ELCA is generally regarded as the more (most?) "liberal" (e.g. least conservative) of the synods (vs. WELS/ELS and the LCMS). Lutherans "drink" and don't necessarily abstain from alcohol as some of the Evangelical groups do, so if drinking and parties are what you're after, I'm sure you'll be able to find these at PLU without too much difficulty. If it helps, there are many students at PLU who aren't Lutheran and (from talking to friends who have attended PLU) aren't even Christian in the remotest sense of the word. Thus I don't think you necessarily have to "freak out" as you say about the perceived conservatism of this school. It's not like checking in to a monastery or something!  Personally, the question I'd be asking myself is: What does the school offer me in terms of my anticipated major or area of study vs. the other universities I'm considering? But again, that's just me!
3) Don't know. I think most students "have fun" regardless of the college they choose. This is more of an individual ability rather than a university offering. FWIW, PLU does seem to have a fairly large contingent of international students so I think you'd likely have the fun you're seeking and wouldn't feel out of place at all.
I hope this helps some. Extensive scholarships are nice!
另一位太平洋路德大学校友的回复：
I graduated from PLU in 1991 and my sister in 1993. Neither of us lived as Christians at that time although we called ourselves Christians. Alcohol parties ran every weekend so if that's what floats your boat then you'll likely have various location options to choose from.
The good: Students, staff, and faculty are very friendly and it is easy to plug in socially. Being an introvert I was apprehensive about running for a student government position in high school, but felt encouraged and supported to do so at PLU. I was elected Senator one year and executive Comptroller the next year. I doubt that would have happened at a larger, state school. My best experience at PLU was participating in their study abroad program in Denmark.
The bad: Now for some negative points so that you have a balanced perspective going in. Make no bones about it, this is a liberal school. I never attended chapel. I never went to church. I never took a Christianity course. The closest religious experience was taking a Buddhist-Christian Dialogue class. A great class, but one that pushed me further toward agnosticism. I began PLU by thinking I was a Christian (even though I was not) and ended PLU by living immorally, getting lulled into pornography partly because 2 of my roommates had magazines laying around, being an agnostic confused about if God even existed, and embarked on the road of hedonism and destruction. I chased the "American Dream", lived for myself, my wife (also a PLU grad) divorced me after 7 years, and my life pretty much fell apart.
In all fairness, I don't blame all this on PLU. I take responsibility for my actions. But PLU did not serve as a marinade to live a healthy life. Quite the opposite. To my knowledge I didn't have a single Christian professor--at least nobody professed it. Christianity was not integrated into PLU's curriculum.
Yesterday in a meeting in Minneapolis on Aug 21, 2009, the 4.7-million member Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), the largest Lutheran denomination in the United States and the closest religious affiliate of PLU, voted Friday "to allow Lutherans in same-gender relationships to serve as pastors of congregations and serve in other professional leadership roles." Until now, only celibate gay men and lesbians could serve such church roles. So if you are looking for a denominational school that is liberal, even what I would describe as secular, then this school might serve you well.
But it begs the question, if PLU is virtually a secular school, what makes it distinctive compared to other universities? I think its main distinctive is its small, but not too small, size. I like this. And I admit that it is a beautiful campus. But you can get similar size and parallel beauty at other nearby universities...University of Puget Sound, Lewis & Clark College, Willamette, Gonzaga, Seattle Pacific, Seattle University, Reed, etc. If you can't get a good Christian foundation at PLU, and don't really want to pursue a life with Christ, why not consider another university that will help you more in your career? I could elaborate on what I thought of my major classes (business), but that would require another essay. I'll just say that I was less than impressed by the quality.
In my opinion, schools like PLU that have a denomination in their title cause people to misunderstand what kind of place it is. I thought I was coming to a religious-rooted school...and I was, albeit the root was so far down that I could barely sense it. And some naive students and parents, myself included, actually thought PLU was a school with Christian professors and an integrated Christian curriculum.
After graduating from PLU I went on to attend 3 other schools: a big state school (Boise State University), another small "religious-based but not practicing" university (Marylhurst University--received MBA), and have spent the past 3 years working on a second masters degree at a legitimate Christian institution (Biola University--my favorite, by far).
If I had to do it all over again, for my bachelors I'd probably choose a school with the best scholastic reputation I could get into, OR a Christian institution like Biola or Wheaton, OR a top-tier specialty school to get an AA in a marketable trade (like The Art Center in SoCal). For graduate studies, I'd choose a school with top scholars in whatever field I was specializing in.
In conclusion, I do not recommend spending $80K or more for luke-warm. Choose a school that will aid you for life. Education is transformational either in a good way or bad way. Take time to choose wisely, and aim high. Remember that your school choices remain on your resume for your entire career. Where you went to school tells employers what kind of people and knowledge you've been immersed in.
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2010/03/11 下午 5:15
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Do not come to PLU if you want to live in a beautiful and hospitable off-campus community
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This school is not a school for international students. Tacoma
is the most borring city in Washington state. People here are very religous and arrogant. If you looking for fun come to this school because people here are just rich snoobs. I going to transfer to another school soon. This school is real expenses fot being such a stupid school.
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I strongly believe in a college education. However as you mature in life your desires and career ambitions may change. Don't get yourself in trouble by spending your life fortune on your first degree.
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2010/03/11 下午 5:14
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There are so many fantastic schools out there, and so many possibilities. PLU is the perfect fit for me, but each person should visit those campuses he or she is most interested in to see whether they feel at home or not. Stay overnight in a dorm room if possible. After all, you can only pick one school to attend, and you'll be there for four years. Make sure that it's the best possible fit for you!
| Education Quality: A+, Surrounding City: B- |
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I really like PLU. I think that the school has a lot to offer and it can really be a place that you can grow and learn. The staff are friendly and approachable and if you look, you can get help from counselors, pastors, and facility if need be. Overall, I enjoyed the university. I had to learn how to use the system a few times. But once you figure out how the university is run, you can really make it work to your advantage.
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-"Social groups" are present as they do in high school. The major groups on campus include the Jocks/Preps, musicians and artists, and indie-coffee drinking students. Each group always has a stereotypical member such as the right and obnoxious athlete, the pompous artist, and the pariah.
-Education quality is excellent. The professors are easily accessible by email and phone and students can see the passion and compassion from the professors.
-Office staffs are impatient and snooty. I will never forget the unwelcoming voices of the student services center.
-There are many reliable resources such as medical assistance and counseling.
-Parkland/Tacoma is the most dull and unattractive suburb/city in Washington. If you have sensitive eyes, a weak heart, and high hope of a nightlife, PLU is not the school for you.
-It's difficult making friends without having to establish a "label". Most students tend to stay within their "labels".
-Politically, there is a fine line between democrats and republicans with a few moderates here and there.
-It is an heavily athletic oriented environment.
-tuition will empty out your pockets unless you have a severe economic status, bright enough to get scholarships, or you have rich parents. If you aren't from the best financial backgrounds, plu is good at compiling a good financial aid package. IF you're just in the middle, good luck at finding student loans with low APR.
overall on considering plu:
education quality: yes
nightlife: NO
scenery: NO
stable social life: NO
adequate Resouces: NO
Library quality: NO
dining services: Medium
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PLU is an excellent school to attend and really challenges you, in and out of the classroom. Students and professors are very friendly and trusting (professors would even leave classrooms DURING a test and cheating was not even considered).
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2010/03/11 下午 5:13
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I enjoyed my time at PLU. It provided a well-rounded education and a good foundation for law school. Becoming involved in sports and campus activities was easy. Prospective students who are not from Western Washington need to be prepared for gray, dreary, rainy days. They are the norm but when the sun shines the campus is glorious.
| Starting Job: Prosecuting Attorney, Preparedness: B+, Reputation: F |
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Everyone on campus is extremely friendly. The students and teachers are very helpful. There is also a tutoring center which is very helpful when finals come around! There are a lot of ways to get involved on campus. There are many sports teams and clubs.
I don't feel like there are the typical high school stereo-types at PLU. I have found that pretty everyone are friends with everyone. There also isn't a lot of drama.
Most of the students are at Pacific Lutheran University to get a good education, and are very encouraging to one another. But also know when to get go and have some fun on the weekends.
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The professors know what they are teaching, but at the same time, atleast in the business department, they are not the most approachable. Most of the students who are driven and ambitious agree that PLU is an aweful school, while some of my friends that are not the most driven, say that PLU is an awesome school academicly. If you do a search of the area around PLU of convicted sex offenders you will see it is a breeding ground for them. There were 14 convicted sex offenders in a 1/2 radius of my house just off campus.
| Faculty Accessibility: A, Extracurricular Activities: F |
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-Not many sexy women (hence the large amount of single guys)
-The surrounding city is dead, dull, and dangerous
-The majority of the students are robot Christians
-There's not many activities to do on-campus
-Social life is exclusive
-The excellent education quality is not worth the money if everything else is horrible
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2010/03/11 下午 5:11
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-The administration is just out to squeeze you for every penny you got.
-The advisers change all the time, and will change your entire academic plan if they want to.
-The school pays off duty cops to bust every party on weekends.
-Uses insane amounts to "go green", but still wastes resources in countless other areas.
-Located in one of the worst areas I've ever seen.
-Every activity on campus is focused around Christianity or some other christian value.
-There are about 10% remotely attractive girls here.
-Some of the Profs. are awful and can't get fired because of tenure, a lot of the good ones are leaving because of conditions and wages.
Please do not go waste 3-5 years at this place. You're going to start developing a bad taste in your mouth about this place towards the end of your degree, and be sorry you wasted 120k going here.
| Faculty Accessibility: B, University Resource Use: F |
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This was a fantastic school. When I went to graduate school I didn't know how I would hold up compared to students from more "prominent" schools. However, not only could I hold my own, I thrived. PLU prepared me to do unique, creative research with depth and rigor. I was confident in my skills, but not ignorant to challenge. I know what high standards are, and I know how to meet them. PLU was a fantastic place to study, and live during college. I have absolutely NO regrets about the experience, and I know that at PLU I studied and learned differently.
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Chzill! Dank Buds, Cool Peeps, Beautiful Women
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2010/03/11 下午 4:59 一下是转自epinions的信息：
Pros: great coverage for underprivileged families
Cons: if you or parents make "too much", not a very good financial aid package, expensive school
bobisty's Full Review: Pacific Lutheran University PLU is a great school. It's very expensive to go here, but I have found that they bend over backwards to get you the best financial aid package you could possibly have. The staff is very friendly and attentive to student's needs.
My family doesn't make much, so I was sure I'd never get into PLU. I received a financial aid package shortly after being accepted and I couldn't believe my eyes. I was not eligible for a Pell Grant, but PLU managed to pay for 3/4 of my education.
I have been here for 2 years now, and I have had to deal with the Financial Aid staff a lot. They are some of the nicest people around and do their jobs well.
Recommended:
Yes
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Pros: 1st rate faculty, PLU strives to create academic excellence
Cons: rainy, pricey even though cheaper than my last school
luteylute's Full Review: Pacific Lutheran University Compared to other universities in the northwest (i.e. UPS, SPU, UW etc.) PLU outranks all, in this authors "E"pinion. I transfered from UPS as a sophomore to PLU and found welcoming arms from the day i set foot on campus to now, which is my final year here. Every one of my Professors were more knowledgeable than i could ever have imagined. I was challenged beyond by dreams. PLU is a very academic community everyone here is serious about learning and becoming the best they can be in their field, which in my experience makes a very hard competition in the intern/job market. PLU is making even more steps to make life for its students more comfortable by proposing a "2010" project for improving its already wonderful campus. PLU is near one of the only schools that I researched that offers a travel abroad program for short and long term outings, at a very reasonable price. I urge anyone that wants to attend a school that will give you everything academically you've ever wanted and so much more to challenge yourself and apply here.
Recommended:
Yes
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Pros: Great atmosphere, clean dorms, friendly staff, attentive counselors
Cons: It's in a small hick town.
keebler45's Full Review: Pacific Lutheran University I'm a senior and I recently visited PLU. I have to admit, I went there expecting it to be a nasty little school that I definitely wouldn't go to. The only reason I went to visit was my mom wanted me to at least look at it. The staff is very friendly, my guide was the best guide I met (I'd just gone on four other college tours) The atmosphere was fun and friendly. Everyone I saw was having fun and smiling. Yes, I don't go there. But I have to say, PLU seemed like an awesome school and it went from dead last on my list, to top three!
Recommended:
Yes
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2010/03/11 下午 4:54 一下是转自epinions的信息：
Pros: Many options
Cons: Not your home cooked
jdt2000's Full Review: Pacific Lutheran University I am a current student at Pacific Lutheran University, as this is the only college I have attended I don't have much the compare the dining services to, but I'll try my best. Since PLU is a smaller college there aren't many options in places to eat on campus.
There are 3 locations, the Bistro, Coffee shop, and University Commons. The university offers 3 or 4 different meal plans, each of these places accept the PLU card. There are 5, maybe a 10, 15 and 20 meal plans, each per week. I currently have the big 20 meal plan, but find that I don't use it all, so I plan to drop down to the 15 meal plan for next semester.
Bistro- This is a little place on lower campus. I'm not sure of the hours here, but I know it isn't open on the weekend. During the week they serve various meals. They aren't open for breakfast, but they do feature the Grab-n-go lunch. This a sack lunch, with a sandwich, chips, cookie, etc. They have much better dinners. Any night during the week, one can pop in and have a batch of buffalo wings, with a salad, and drink. Or a personal pizza, with 2 toppings, cheese, and sauce. Along with bread sticks, a salad, and drink. The Bistro is nice for people on the go.
Coffee Shop- This is located one floor below the Commons in the University Center. Once again I'm not quite sure of the hours here. They tend to be open during normal meal times only. For example 5 PM to 7 PM, once again I'm not quite sure if the Coffee Shop is open on the weekend. The coffee shop is open for students and faculty. Some of the items are a available with the meal plan, while others can be payed for with cash. The meal plan items consists of things like a burger, fries, drink and salad. Or a sandwich, drink, and salad. This is an eat in or take out place also, like the Bistro.
University Commons- This is the place where many people eat, and where I work. I will try to be as unbiased as possible. I eat mostly here in the Commons. They feature the most variety in food. There are 3 different stations. One of the stations usually has some sort of pasta. There is a deli bar, students can custom order sandwiches here. There are two normal "lines" where various food is served. This changes from meal to meal. At these stations anything from fish to pot roast is served. There are usually 3 or 4 different items at these stations. One being a vegetable, the main course, and one of two other entres. Then during the week the 4th station, the "display" features various alternatives, from fried rice to pasta.
The University Commons (UC) also has a soup of the day, and a salad bar. The UC is open from 6:30 AM to 7:15 PM everyday. Breakfast is served from 6:30 to 9:30 every weekday and from 6:30 AM to 2:30 PM on the weekends. Weekday lunches are served from 10:30 to 2:30 PM and dinners start at 4PM and go till closing.
I have some favorites that I look forward to. Every Sunday for brunch freshly made waffles are served. They have strawberries, whipped cream, and syrup to put on them. Mmmmmmm they are good! There is a variety of meals here at the UC, and different meals are served every night. It takes from 2 to 3 even 4 weeks to cycle through the meals before one is repeated again. When I have to eat on campus, this is my favorite place to eat because there is such a variety in foods.
I have 3 1/2 more years to eat here, I'm already looking forward to going home to have "good food," but to be honest with you the food really isn't that bad. I just hope I can Outwit others in what to eat, Out-eat... well not really, and out-last the other students, so I can be the sole "dining services survivor."
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Pros: 1st rate faculty-scholars. Students athletic. User-friendly curriculum.
Cons: Identity crisis. Non-ELCA christian revival polarized the campus community.
mcse2020's Full Review: Pacific Lutheran University PLU is like an old house you absolutely know would be worth a fortune if you fixed it. Norwegian roots and Midwestern bloodline. Faculty hail from the elite (Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Smith, Reed, Big-10, Pac-10, Big East) Top Dawgs of Academia are still there because they see a fixer-upper.
I attended 91-96. 91-93: I had a BLAST! LOVED IT! 94-96: I wanted to get the heck out of Dodge asap.
First mistake was the decision to split the 1994 Freshman Orientation in 2 groups thus causing a "split" class. Cohesion suffered. The graduating classes of 89-97 were more unified than nowadays. Christians and non-Christians got along ok until the 90's. All this may have changed. Be sure to ask how ORIENTATION will be organized. My favorite friends whom I clinged with over 4 years - I met them from Residence Hall Orientation (RHO) where we visited every dorm to meet people. We did everything together. I love them!
2nd mistake was a boost in recruitment of church-active Christians. A sensible move for PLU, but it was too much too quick. Lutherans, Roman Catholics and non-religious alike began to feel uncomfortable with these very active & opinionated Christians who practiced faith that was not consistent with the Mission Statement that highlighted Ecumenism and open-minded inquiry. I AM EPISCOPALIAN and was shunned by the same Bible Fellowship I actively attended the previous semester because the new freshman and transfers labeled me as a liberal and a catholic-lover. You can imagine how they viewed the Muslims and Buddhists on campus...
Increased enforcement of campus policies, crackdown on hazing, regulation and supervision of dorm dances, demolition of the campus bowling alley, elimination of fully-accredited engineering degrees had a negative affect on morale, but incoming freshmen were ok with the changes.
Despite my gripe, I still encourage people to consider PLU because of the more concrete benefits. Faculty, facility, and curriculum are impeccable and the most user-friendly I've ever seen. (I attended a state U & CC in the summer and 1 term at University College London ... all yuck).
Please visit the campus b/c things change, always do...
Recommended:
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Pros: Nice campus, some great teachers
Cons: Some poor teachers, pricey
sprint_sucks's Full Review: Pacific Lutheran University I've only spent four years at one college, so I don't have much to compare it against.
But I guess I could sum up my experience as "mostly fun."
I attended PLU (or "paloo") from 1992 through 1996. During that time, it saw a lot of changes, and no doubt, has changed much since I left.
I do think the school is slightly overpriced and Pacific Lutheran was unable to find me any financial aid. I made only the most basic attempts to secure any, looking through their catalog of aid offers and filling out the survey. I did get $500 each year from my local Lutheran church which PLU matched. This is often overlooked by prospective students. If you're a member of a Lutheran church, ask if they have a line item for scholarships to Lutheran schools.
It should be pointed out that the percentage of Lutherans was probably only about 30% when I attended college. Also, like most college graduates (from any school), I am not employed in the field I studied in. But they did recognize my dabbling in the internet and tapped me to be their very first webmaster while I was a student there, which did later help me to land the job I have now.
The really great things about the school are its functions for allowing creative expression. The school features its own student run television station, radio station, newspaper, yearbook, literary magazine, plus several on-campus galleries and a good theatrical program.
On the down side, I think it's a little overpriced and its administration is afraid to take any bold steps, even if it would mean the betterment of the campus. I don't have specific examples, but you know what I mean.. so afraid of its own shadow that it won't take any risks.
The school also features a professional television studio for use with classes and projects (in some ways, the television station is more professional, and in some ways, less) as well as an award-winning jazz station, KPLU which is heard all over most of Washington State, parts of Oregon and Idaho and British Columbia.
Parking is a real problem, you're better off leaving your car at home. Most places can be reached on foot, or by bicycle.
The food wasn't bad. It was college food, but it sure beats scraping the money together now to go get another overpriced hamburger or taco from a fast food place. I also suspect the food on campus was a little healthier.
You can't get cable TV (at least you couldn't then) and there isn't much to do within walking distance off-campus, which is a bit of a bummer.
The Mary Baker Russell Music Building (phase I) was completed my senior year. Amazing structure. They hadn't even broken ground when I set foot on campus in 1992. If you like the glass rose windows, check out more of the artists' work at the Bellagio -- it's the upsidedown glass garden above you in the lobby. I hear the campus also now features a big astronomy telescope. That's gotta be cool.
But overall, a pretty good school. And thanks for Frosty, an excellent football program. I didn't play, but covered every game home and away for the television station.
Recommended:
Yes
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Pros: amazing profs, cozy oncamus living, good investment
Cons: doesn't snow enough ;)
thisguy12's Full Review: Pacific Lutheran University WOW! i was just bored so i thought i'd look up some reviews of good 'ol PLU. SUPRISED AT what i found.... and there is a new one that was posted not too long ago... .. i guess thats kinda excited..... HA.. maybe i'll run into them in red square or something.. and not even know it.... OHH CRAZY!
well to get down to it . .. yeah PLU is a great school.. that simple.... maybe the campus isn't the prettiest.. but its getting there and if you're looking for that in school.. you're probably not serious in the first place. but anyway. i must say.. YES our professors here are amazing .. and as that other review says.. they do come from all the HUGE universities out there... and they keep coming in ... plus i know what its like to be taught by them.. they give you ONE ON ONE help anytime.. i mean my stats prof will even call you in the morning to make sure you get up for class... now that dedication!
most of the cons i've read about PLU aren't really big cons in the first place.. which is funny.. i mean someone complained about the UC *cafiteria* but you know its grown by leaps and whatever else.. and i think someone said the school was having an identity crisis or some garbage like that..... sure why not! makes it more exciting if you ask me.... and heck .. i don't even notice.. all i know is that i go to my class every day to do my HW and i feel like i've come out with something i didn't have when i came in. I'm very glad i came here sure sure, it gets tiring being on campus but seattle and tacoma are just a step out the door so theres all the entertainment you could ask for. I don't know.. i look at numerous schools in the west coast.... umm gonzaga, UW, WSU, UofO SPU, linfield, REED, witman, witworth, UPS etc. and i found that this one was the one that actually cared about what i wanted to do with my life rather than how much money can they suck out of me while im here. i made a good choice.. so i give it two thumbs up.. or eh, five stars.
its still a good price for a private edu. :D
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2010/03/10 下午 12:47 今天已经看完了所有七季24小时，如果大家比 
较细心的话，会发现，有些集后面会有一些特别的话，比如第七季最后一集完了以后，在显示制作群事前就有一排字幕，大概意思就是“我们把这一季献给Larry Davenport”。
去查了一下，发现Larry是前六季的主要编辑，后来在09年1月19号去世了，所以，第七季的一个主角就叫Larry。剧组用这样的方式纪念同事，很让人深思。 |
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